Just why is GW Community so Rude?

[Avarre]

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

I'm not a good pvp'r but I make my own pugs 90% of the time when I do play HA and it can be very difficult to discern what is going wrong when an eight man team is going down the crapper.

Once you get used to understanding how the team works, and monitoring the effective parts of the enemy team, it becomes much clearer why the team is faltering. If you don't know why the team is dying at all, then people aren't communicating, and there are even more severe issues.

You misunderstand. Rage after the fact is pointless, but when you are in a game and the flag needs to be run and people are out of position and one of the Monks is not casting Aegis and the opponents' DA is not being shut down while Melandru's is going to recharge and nobody is watching it for the interrupt, sometimes you need to remind people of their jobs right-damned-now and shock them back into it.

Level heads can prevail after the match, that's when you can analyze and point out mistakes and offer advice, and sure, you can do that during a match, but it helps when people are organized and paying attention. Vent often gets cluttered, and sometimes people lose focus and need to be brought back into line. Not everyone will need this, there aren't any absolutes to these kind of situations.

However, I stand by what I said: rage gets things done.

[Sha Noran]

Originally Posted by Avarre

Once you get used to understanding how the team works, and monitoring the effective parts of the enemy team, it becomes much clearer why the team is faltering. If you don't know why the team is dying at all, then people aren't communicating, and there are even more severe issues.

You misunderstand. Rage after the fact is pointless, but when you are in a game and the flag needs to be run and people are out of position and one of the Monks is not casting Aegis and the opponents' DA is not being shut down while Melandru's is going to recharge and nobody is watching it for the interrupt, sometimes you need to remind people of their jobs right-damned-now and shock them back into it.

Level heads can prevail after the match, that's when you can analyze and point out mistakes and offer advice, and sure, you can do that during a match, but it helps when people are organized and paying attention. Vent often gets cluttered, and sometimes people lose focus and need to be brought back into line. Not everyone will need this, there aren't any absolutes to these kind of situations.

However, I stand by what I said: rage gets things done.

This is an accurate, quality post and anyone hoping to learn how to lead a team better should consider it's contents in detail.

To give my own answer to the topic question, I must say that this community is rather tame in general compared to most of it's competition. True, it isn't hard to find a PUG Wammo who immediately considers himself the leader of the group and doesn't hesitate to tell you exactly what's wrong with your builds, nor is it hard to find the snobby Ele who absolutely denies any evidence to the contrary of his skill bar's perfection, nor is it hard to find the level 19 Assassin/Warrior with Frenzy that gets insta-gibbed every time he gets even minor agro and then proceeds to rage quit after no one wants to rez him anymore. Yes, it's very true that these forms of rudeness are very easy to find in Guild Wars; that said, these are almost humorous, and over time actually serve as a nice interruption from the everyday sameness of many instances.

I dare say it's much harder to find "humorous" the types of rudeness that find 39 other people's raid ruined by one person's failed sense of "acceptable", or spawn camping some lower level players who can do nothing about their constant demise. That, of course, is just staying within the bounds of RPG... if we're also to be considering comparisons with FPS and RTS style games, then truly, Guild Wars is essentially The Kingdom of Caring.

[RotteN]

Originally Posted by Avarre

Rage gets things done.

word.

You'd be suprised how much more effective "PBLOCK THAT F*CKIN' WATERELE NOW FOR F*CK'S SAKE ! preveil 1 if you need longer casts !" is compared to "please shut down that ele, blurred and snares are killing me", just to name an example.

[Fril Estelin]

Originally Posted by RotteN

word.

You'd be suprised how much more effective "PBLOCK THAT F*CKIN' WATERELE NOW FOR F*CK'S SAKE ! preveil 1 if you need longer casts !" is compared to "please shut down that ele, blurred and snares are killing me", just to name an example.

Of course "PBLOCK THE WATERELE RIGHT NOW, IMMEDIATELY, HE'S KILLING ME!!" is not an option. It's roughly the same length, it may even convey the same level of adrenaline (the real one) without the above agressivity (I already hear people saying that swearing is not aggressive one bit ...) but well, it's not as cool is it? You'd be surprised how effective people can become when put collectively in the right mindset.

And where's the fun in playing "civilised" PvP? Rage is so much more effective, isn't it? (or is it that PvP is a game for people who need to unleash their aggressivity to calm their angers? if you don't you'll be called carebear or joy-killer?) Too bad you can't show me in this thread .

[Suspect Packages]

Although I've read this forum on and off for a while now(more so recently having returned to GW), I've never been tempted to post until I read this thread and some of the misconceptions within it.

Firstly....

Unlike most games, WoW for example anyone can get the best stuff and play on the elite missions without difficulty and due to Anet making the game easier *cough UB* as long as you have the right skills you can 'try' to play most high end missions, effectively bypassing the need to actually be good at the game.

Imo 90% of people trying to play the high end content of GW will suck at it. But they will get thru somehow and think they are great. "Very exp I have completed before!"

Where as in another game you have to work very very hard to get the items and necessary gaming knowledge, levelling etc... to even attempt highend content. And then try find a decent guild to take you on the runs with full team co-ordination and vent/ts a big requirement..

The most team co-ordination you get in GW pugs is "u bring cons k??"

Your using WoW as an example is wrong. I played WoW for 3 years, the majority of which were at the "elite" end of the scale....cleared everything up to and including Sunwell, Rank 12 in the old honor system pre cross realm pvp and top 10% ranked 5v5 arena team in season 2..... and let me tell you that nothing in that game is hard to acquire anymore, it's merely a timesink. Even before the welfare epics, good gear wasn't hard to obtain. Hell I people who spent more than their fair share of time semi afking through MC, BWL, AQ40 and Naxx playing texas hold'em yet still had full tier sets from each instance. Assuming that WoW with it's paid subscription and gear level system filters out "bad" players is wildly wrong. If you think that a game where the only rule you ever need to follow in high end PvE is "don't stand in the f'ing fire!" is hard, then you've had very little experience of it (though believe me, there are enough people in high end raiding guilds who still can't grasp this concept after 3 years)

As for the OP: Everywhere you go you'll find asshats,luckily in a game you have the option to add them to an ignore list. It would be truly wonderful if you could in real life too. In regard to the GW community in general; they really aren't such a bad bunch. Of course theres the idiots but less so than in the majority of other online games... take a quick game of Halo 3 on Live for example.... Any long held convictions against enforced euthanasia will quickly vanish once you've spent 20 minutes in that game.

Nor is age a good way to judge who is going to be the source of immaturity. I've encounter plenty of social rejects who get their kicks out of being a dick in a computer game who were way into their 30s, and at the same time some of the most polite people I've encountered have been sub 16.

Oh yeah, rage gets things done? True it does, I've shouted at people over vent before but only after they've screwed up so many times that I've wanted to unplug my keyboard and beat myself to unconciousness with it to get away from them.

And until you've been http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~dmackay/troxed.swf you haven't met rude.

[Avarre]

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Too bad you can't show me in this thread .

What's to show? All the evidence is in the actual game.

[DarkNecrid]

There's a big difference between IMMEDIATELY HE IS KILLING ME and RIGHT RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING NOW. The latter is a) probably louder which means I'm going to reflex and follow it instinctively and b) shows more of an emergency than the former.

Also if you got a problem with the f word then idk what to tell you. Grow a skin I guess. If someone raged and used it against you, then sure...but saying RIGHT RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING NOW isn't targeting you with it, it's just telling you to do it damn quick.

EDIT:
Also yeah the GW community is way nicer than pretty much every other online game out there

[BladeWind]

To be honest, i agree there are many, many rude people in Guild Wars im sad to say, but from the events i hold i have met an equal share of kind, friendly genuine nice people and as such they have found a firm place on my limited friends list.

Guild wars is a very competitive game, certainly. But there are people who would give you that 50g for your new bank and such. It is those type of people that i interact with, both in pvp (yes,omg nice pvp people) and in pve.

So to conclude, as in every community you get the bad nuts and the good'uns. Its just your choice on who you talk to.

Regards

~Frozenwind

[StarrTheInsane]

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Bad behavior happens at ANY age.
...
I would have to say that at least 90% of the GW player base are good people 95% of the time, but we all have our bad days!

Originally Posted by BladeWind

To be honest, i agree there are many, many rude people in Guild Wars im sad to say, but from the events i hold i have met an equal share of kind, friendly genuine nice people ...
Guild wars is a very competitive game, certainly. But there are people who would give you that 50g for your new bank and such...

/agree /clap

[cthulhu reborn]

well, this is one of those subjects that comes back every six months or so. People are people. It's not a GW problem but a people problem. I have some friends who play WoW and they complain of similar things. I suppose on the internet it's easier to be obnoxious as no one can see you as opposed to being face to face with people. Still, that's still a people problem and not a GW issue.

[Nainoa]

Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

well, this is one of those subjects that comes back every six months or so. People are people. It's not a GW problem but a people problem. I have some friends who play WoW and they complain of similar things. I suppose on the internet it's easier to be obnoxious as no one can see you as opposed to being face to face with people. Still, that's still a people problem and not a GW issue.

I think the issue is more prevalent in GW because there is no subscription fee as in other MMOs. No monthly fee means more kids playing the game.

[Snow Bunny]

If I scream into vent "SOMEONE BACKLINE THIS RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING BITCH, HE'S LOCKING ME DOWN FOR RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOS SAKE", there's 2 options.



a. My warrior will backline the other warrior, and I'll say, "great work Foxy"

b. Foxy will continue to train his target, and then I have to yell "NEED AURA NOW"

It's good to know who you're playing with. People who you know traditionally listen to you.

Furthermore, would you pug IRL? I mean, if you and a random stranger got together for a roadtrip, we can all imagine how fun that'd be, but when you get together with some buddies for a trip to Vegas, it's a good time.

Now simply apply that loosely to GW -

[Crom The Pale]

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

If I scream into vent "SOMEONE BACKLINE THIS RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING BITCH, HE'S LOCKING ME DOWN FOR RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOS SAKE", there's 2 options.



a. My warrior will backline the other warrior, and I'll say, "great work Foxy"

b. Foxy will continue to train his target, and then I have to yell "NEED AURA NOW"

It's good to know who you're playing with. People who you know traditionally listen to you.

Furthermore, would you pug IRL? I mean, if you and a random stranger got together for a roadtrip, we can all imagine how fun that'd be, but when you get together with some buddies for a trip to Vegas, it's a good time.

Now simply apply that loosely to GW -

In real life I have been in that situation, work related. Me and 13 other people had to do a job, none of us knew each other before hand. After 2 weeks 13 of us got along fairly well but 1 person was a jerk and anoyed us all, even going so far as to throw a temper tantrum and storm off in the middle of the day.

Real life or Game this is going to happen. 1:14 seams like a huge ratio when you concider the number of people playing GW at any one time, think of it this way ever 2 times you make a party of 8, one of those parties will have a jerk in it

[Sha Noran]

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

It's good to know who you're playing with. People who you know traditionally listen to you.

I was happy to see someone say this also. When a group of friends get together with the goal of defeating some obstacle, it usually isn't hard for them to pick a leader who they're happy to follow (for whatever reason), who can then coordinate the team's effort for maximum efficiency. A lot of people forget (or are never taught by the game, I should say) that the point of 8 man teams implies that 64 skills must be used in combination, not 8 separate tiny combos that have no overall synergy. When this is never learned, and when it's taken into account how massive the difficulty spike is between, say, the normal missions of Factions and then Urgoz/the Deep... I really can't believe anyone is/was surprised that those towns have been deserted almost the whole time they've existed.

When a group of strangers get together, it's altogether too likely (well, in this game it seems...) that there will too many cooks in the kitchen; everyone is trying to wave around their e-peen and take over the group (or be allowed to do whatever they want, as though they hadn't joined a group). No one trusts anyone else to do their part, and thus they end up slacking from their part also in an attempt to "catch" some other person in the group doing something especially bad. In other words, the Monk is targeting the Ele and giggling about hoping to get a screen shot of it's Flare build, and all I can do is use the /sigh emote as the Wammo puts Prot Spirit on himself and runs into agro, immediately dying. The Rit uses Lively Was Naomi, runs to rez the Warrior; she dies and drops the urn, rezzing them both for only moments before they are once again killed by the same mob. At this point, the Ele probably rage quits the instance, and once one person leaves... it's a downhill sprint to failure from there.

[Red Sonya]

I've encounter plenty of social rejects who get their kicks out of being a dick in a computer game who were way into their 30s, and at the same time some of the most polite people I've encountered have been sub 16.

I laugh and always question statements like this because my question to the poster is "how do you know how old they are?" I can tell you I'm 40 or 16 can you prove it? Oh let me guess all these are people you know personally and you know 1000's right? hahaha Since you can't prove anyones age online these kinds of statements are mere speculations as most others like "everybody" and "ALL people that play" blah blah blah. lol or "Nobody" you guys ever see those types? The facts point to immaturity in youth that's the honest to goodness truth, immaturity socially begins in youth and yes can be in "some" adults. But, there are no figures or "plentys" or Everybody and ALL's lol. Don't know why folks need to bloat figures to put forth their agenda's.

[Sha Noran]

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I laugh and always question statements like this because my question to the poster is "how do you know how old they are?" I can tell you I'm 40 or 16 can you prove it? Oh let me guess all these are people you know personally and you know 1000's right? hahaha Since you can't prove anyones age online these kinds of statements are mere speculations as most others like "everybody" and "ALL people that play" blah blah blah. lol or "Nobody" you guys ever see those types? The facts point to immaturity in youth that's the honest to goodness truth, immaturity socially begins in youth and yes can be in "some" adults. But, there are no figures or "plentys" or Everybody and ALL's lol. Don't know why folks need to bloat figures to put forth their agenda's.

The following link contains my full rebuttal: http://tinyurl.com/35kqpe

[H I R O]

No offense, but a lot of you guys sound like your venting your anger about the world on GW. l o l.

[enter_the_zone]

In my experience, the problem isn't with the language during the match, it's the abuse after your team looses. Then everyone starts shouting and blaming each other. Frankly, it's playing the blame game, and it's pathetic.

[Spazzer]

Rage makes you feel self-important.

[Ghost Dog]

Originally Posted by credit

If anyone thinks that this community is bad, go to the CAL forums for any game.

In a thread full of people who think they are MUCH much more intelligent then they really are.

This made me laugh and is very true.

Some of these people here need to taste thier own advice and go outside for a day on top of it good God.